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		<title>By: Get Out Of The Box at MICHAEL VERDI</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-63410</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Out Of The Box at MICHAEL VERDI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] granularity. I think it has more to do with intention and purpose (or context). As I&#8217;ve been experimenting with that, I keep bumping up against what I think is the ever more pervasive TVishness, not of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] granularity. I think it has more to do with intention and purpose (or context). As I&#8217;ve been experimenting with that, I keep bumping up against what I think is the ever more pervasive TVishness, not of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anabarbararenaud</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-3069</link>
		<dc:creator>anabarbararenaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Michael!! I know I&#039;m slow, but I love this clip, you&#039;ve inspired me so much, I want to do videos this good, and leave the commercials in the dust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Michael!! I know I&#8217;m slow, but I love this clip, you&#8217;ve inspired me so much, I want to do videos this good, and leave the commercials in the dust.</p>
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		<title>By: Enric</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-3032</link>
		<dc:creator>Enric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only skimmed the first few posts.  I&#039;m not much for reading through a thread.

I see a videoblog, besides it&#039;s technology, as honest.  It is not contrived for achieving a result in it&#039;s audience, but to express something real for the person making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only skimmed the first few posts.  I&#8217;m not much for reading through a thread.</p>
<p>I see a videoblog, besides it&#8217;s technology, as honest.  It is not contrived for achieving a result in it&#8217;s audience, but to express something real for the person making it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-3004</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason the comments seem negative is that you are excluding a large group from the conversation.  Not everyone follows your style, but as you come from a position of relative authority within a growing community (a position based primarily on a declaration that vlogs should not be categegorized), your opinions hold some weight.  And your post didn&#039;t sound like opinion, it sounded more like proclamation.  Add to that the fact that you now have good production values and are a practicing filmmaker, I could see some budding videoblogger that wanted to make a travel show or something being completely turned off and bummed out.  I find the whole conversation to be a drag, to tell you the truth, and it makes me want to go out and break something, viz, capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason the comments seem negative is that you are excluding a large group from the conversation.  Not everyone follows your style, but as you come from a position of relative authority within a growing community (a position based primarily on a declaration that vlogs should not be categegorized), your opinions hold some weight.  And your post didn&#8217;t sound like opinion, it sounded more like proclamation.  Add to that the fact that you now have good production values and are a practicing filmmaker, I could see some budding videoblogger that wanted to make a travel show or something being completely turned off and bummed out.  I find the whole conversation to be a drag, to tell you the truth, and it makes me want to go out and break something, viz, capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: sull</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2987</link>
		<dc:creator>sull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m calling bullshit Sull&#8221;<br />
say hi to bullshit for me.  we dont talk much <img src='http://michaelverdi.com/vlog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>so suddenly comments by people who arent as active video makers are not good enuf for you either?  damn, tough to meet your standards, michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Verdi</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2985</link>
		<dc:creator>Verdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m calling bullshit Sull. The day I see you make a video about what you think a videoblog is (or any video) - is the day I&#039;ll let that comment fly. Plus, like you said - eveyone thinks this topic is old and tired. If I brought it up on any of those lists I&#039;d shouted down pretty quick with &quot;oh not that conversation again.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m calling bullshit Sull. The day I see you make a video about what you think a videoblog is (or any video) &#8211; is the day I&#8217;ll let that comment fly. Plus, like you said &#8211; eveyone thinks this topic is old and tired. If I brought it up on any of those lists I&#8217;d shouted down pretty quick with &#8220;oh not that conversation again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sull</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2984</link>
		<dc:creator>sull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>verdi said:<br />
&#8220;I’m thinking out loud here because nobody else seems to want to take this on&#8221;</p>
<p>c&#8217;mon.  thats not true.  you are in that vlog theory group and you know well that myself and others have tackled this topic&#8230; and it has also been repeatedly brought up on the VBYG to the point where even I started to gag at the topic.  So, don&#8217;t try to make it appear you are breaking through anything.  This topic is old and tired&#8230;. but it still interests me.</p>
<p>Why must it be so hard to simply say that the vlogs I appreciate the most and respect the most consist primarily or entirely of non-commercial personal media&#8230; because that is much more representative of what you actually do prefer than simply &#8216;vlog&#8217;.  </p>
<p>let it go.  even Ryanne would disagree here&#8230; right Ryanne?  <img src='http://michaelverdi.com/vlog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no difference between the two clips. There is no grey area.

One is helping to sell the brand of Nike and the other is helping to sell the brand of Verdi. A strong Verdi brand could lead to all sorts of opportuntities...aren&#039;t you writing a book? If you get paid for that book then you are still selling out your daughter for your personal monetary gain.

I say that to make a point, I have no issue with people trying to make money off vlogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no difference between the two clips. There is no grey area.</p>
<p>One is helping to sell the brand of Nike and the other is helping to sell the brand of Verdi. A strong Verdi brand could lead to all sorts of opportuntities&#8230;aren&#8217;t you writing a book? If you get paid for that book then you are still selling out your daughter for your personal monetary gain.</p>
<p>I say that to make a point, I have no issue with people trying to make money off vlogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2975</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Verdi, I appreciate your experiments. I want you to push and wield your influence to affect positive change. Definitions aside, I resonate with your message, &quot;Advertising interferes with personal communication.&quot; 

Context is hugely important (props to Richad BF). I was trying to make that point with the various levels of &quot;dischord&quot; we feel; and in my video &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/12/shame_on_cnn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Shame on CNN&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. 

I&#039;m struggling with how to go about video ads on &lt;a href=&quot;http://mnstories.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Minnesota Stories&lt;/a&gt;. Which is a videoblog no matter what you say. :-) I sure don&#039;t want a political protest video or touching documentary clip followed by some jerk screaming in a used car lot. I&#039;d much rather have a video ad from the Minnesota Historical Society. 

This debate has echos of a similar debate about documentary film. Some claimed Michael Moore&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Fahrenheit 9/11&lt;/em&gt; was not actually a documentary because it has such a biased point of view. Of course the earliest days of documentary (&lt;em&gt;Nanook of the North&lt;/em&gt;) were contrived/constructed truths with a biased point of view. 

Likewise, some videoblogs have had eyes on TV and revenue potential from the very beginning. For proof, read through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2002_12.html#000489&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Jarvis&#039; vlog archives from 2002&lt;/a&gt;. 

What I &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogumentary.typepad.com/chuck/2004/06/power_line_on_f.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt; about documentary, I&#039;ll say about vlogs: &lt;strong&gt;It&#039;s a willow tree.&lt;/strong&gt; All kinds of people are pulling it and bending it in different directions, but it can withstand the weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Verdi, I appreciate your experiments. I want you to push and wield your influence to affect positive change. Definitions aside, I resonate with your message, &#8220;Advertising interferes with personal communication.&#8221; </p>
<p>Context is hugely important (props to Richad BF). I was trying to make that point with the various levels of &#8220;dischord&#8221; we feel; and in my video <a href="http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/12/shame_on_cnn.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Shame on CNN&#8221;</a>. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m struggling with how to go about video ads on <a href="http://mnstories.com" rel="nofollow">Minnesota Stories</a>. Which is a videoblog no matter what you say. <img src='http://michaelverdi.com/vlog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I sure don&#8217;t want a political protest video or touching documentary clip followed by some jerk screaming in a used car lot. I&#8217;d much rather have a video ad from the Minnesota Historical Society. </p>
<p>This debate has echos of a similar debate about documentary film. Some claimed Michael Moore&#8217;s <em>Fahrenheit 9/11</em> was not actually a documentary because it has such a biased point of view. Of course the earliest days of documentary (<em>Nanook of the North</em>) were contrived/constructed truths with a biased point of view. </p>
<p>Likewise, some videoblogs have had eyes on TV and revenue potential from the very beginning. For proof, read through <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2002_12.html#000489" rel="nofollow">Jeff Jarvis&#8217; vlog archives from 2002</a>. </p>
<p>What I <a href="http://blogumentary.typepad.com/chuck/2004/06/power_line_on_f.html" rel="nofollow">said</a> about documentary, I&#8217;ll say about vlogs: <strong>It&#8217;s a willow tree.</strong> All kinds of people are pulling it and bending it in different directions, but it can withstand the weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Verdi</title>
		<link>http://michaelverdi.com/2006/04/06/experiment/comment-page-1/#comment-2972</link>
		<dc:creator>Verdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you had a giggle at my expense Chuck. Let me clear some things up &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking out loud here because nobody else seems to want to take this on. I&#8217;m an adult and I&#8217;ve learned that best way to figure out what you think about something is to try to discuss it with people. That&#8217;s why I called this an &#8220;experiment.&#8221; You should look at <a href="http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2006/04/08/experiment-2/" rel="nofollow">#2</a> and also have a look at <a href="http://www.kashum.com/blog/1144417173" rel="nofollow">Richard BF&#8217;s response</a> &#8211; I really like where he&#8217;s going with it. I&#8217;ve never said artists don&#8217;t deserve to make money from their art. That would be stupid of me since I&#8217;ve been doing it for about 17 years now. </p>
<p>As to &#8220;why not just claim non-commerical personal media?&#8221; Well I thought about that a lot before making this video. To me it seems like the whole idea of creating a videoblog to generate an income came later and so maybe that&#8217;s the thing that needs a new name.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8211; many of of you who have responded really don&#8217;t like this idea and you guys act like I&#8217;m the supreme court and just handed down this ruling. I&#8217;m just a guy trying to figure shit out. I&#8217;m as fucked up as all of you (that&#8217;s right &#8211; you&#8217;ve all got problems, inconsistencies, conflicts of interest, times when you speak to quickly and moments of clarity &#8211; just like me).</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Earlier, <a href="http://loadepun.com/" rel="nofollow">Anne</a> summed up where I&#8217;m at in my desire to make this post:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>I don’t despise commerce or online shows at all. It does, however, make me sigh a little sigh when I see how quickly the tide turns from personal journaling to “user content” Current TV commercials and YouTube as the new “trailer” park.</p></blockquote>
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